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Slipperduke

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Rumours travel fast in the North-East of England. Nobody is entirely sure what happened or where it started, but Wearside was abuzz last Friday with the 'news' that Roy Keane had walked out on Sunderland. Everyone knew about it, apparently. Some said that he'd not turned up for training. Others that he'd stormed out of a hotel during contract negotiations. It was something of a surprise then to see Keane on the bench against Blackburn the next day as if nothing had happened, which of course, according to Keane, it hadn't.

The interesting thing was that not all of Sunderland's fans were particularly dismayed by the rumours. After all, the club spent last week in the relegation zone following three successive defeats, despite spending enough money in the summer to bail out a British bank. There are also concerns that the players are tiring of his temper and of his own brand of instant justice. Keane has used 27 players this season, more than any other team by some distance, and he hasn't had that many injuries. He chops and changes quickly, punishing all indiscipline with a spell on the sidelines.

Like a superstar player who goes into management only to be frustrated by the technical limitations of average footballers, Keane's biggest problem has been finding people who care as much as him. In this, he hasn't exactly helped himself, taking a huge gamble on the morally bankrupt Pascal Chimbonda, who has since been disciplined repeatedly for anything from poor timekeeping to an alleged appearance at Obafemi Martins birthday party just before a match. It seems that you just can't teach desire.

But why should Keane's demands for it be such a bad thing? He's not asking for centre-backs to perform stepovers, or for strikers to conduct post-match interviews in Latin. All he wants are employees who don't drink their careers away in nightcubs and that turn up for their four-hour-a-day job on time. For a weekly wage that would eclipse most of our annual paycheques, is it too much to ask?

Keane was lucky enough to work under two legendary managers, Brian Clough and Sir Alex Ferguson, so it's no surprise that he's so forthright and headstrong. But he's not all soundbites and arrogance. Watch Sunderland on a good day and you'll see a team that approaches games like Manchester United in 1994. The ball goes down to the ground, out to the wings and then they burst forward across the halfway line in formation. With some genuine class in the side, notably Steed Malbranque and the much-improved Djibril Cisse, this is a team full of potential.

I was there to watch Sunderland in their last league game before the arrival of Keane in 2006. It was at my own Southend United and, hilariously, we absolutely battered them. In two and a half years, he has taken a side in danger of relegation to the third division and moulded them into a mid-table Premier League outfit. No-one knows whether he will have the success of his old mentors or if he will even ever find a squad of players as dedicated as he was to the cause. But in a relatively short time he has transformed the club and he deserves more respect than he's currently getting. The next time there's a rumour that he's walked out, Sunderland fans should have a good think about what they'd be missing if it turned out to be true.
 
great Southend namecheck there, that was an amazing game and Sunderland fans really must have short memories because personally I think Keane has done a terrific job and will get them through this season
 
Pascal Chimbonda, who has since been disciplined repeatedly for anything from poor timekeeping to an alleged appearance at Obafemi Martins birthday party just before a match. It seems that you just can't teach desire.

Initially in my ignorance I just accepted this but I just can't work out where they would know each other from other than as opponents! Struggling to work out how a Frenchman born in Guadeloupe playing for Bastia before moving to Wigan, Spurs and Sunderland would know a Nigerian who first appeared in Europe for Inter before moving to Newcastle.

On this basis, I'm going to declare him innocent.

On the Keane issue, Sudnerland have been pretty poop this season and barring the last 30 seconds of games last season were pretty poop then too. It's no mean feat surviving in the Premiership and praise should be givne for his players' fitness and dedication to the last minute but Keane has surely come close to using up all of his luck bank.

If the pressure is on now, it is only likely to get worse. A quick glance at Sunderland's matches this season shows four wins which isn't bad for a team of their stature. However, when you consider that their wins have come against Spurs and Newcastle when they were both still woeful, Middlesbrough when they missed pens for fun and Blackburn who haven't won since September, it suggests they can't beat anyone on the remotest bit of form. Unfortunately, a lot of teams find form towards the end of the season and there could be more trouble yet.

This is all putting the money spent to one side. Keane has spent some very questionable sums on questionable players and yet still seems incapable of building a side that can dominate possession at all. Combine this with the 7th biggest attendance figure in the league and you might rightfully wonder why Fulham have won more games.
 
Top stuff Slipper.

After all the talk about Keane walking out I loved Cisse's celebration where he ran to a beaming Keane and shook his hand, clearly a player really playing for his manager.
 
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