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Stodge

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I know there have been threads re; the abuse from Spurs fans on Saturday, but our day was ruined by thugs in our ranks. I should be able to take my son to away matches without exposing him to aggressive and abusive behaviour. If anyone reading this was involved in such behaviour, then shame on you. I have written to Ron Martin re; this issue, text below...

Dear Mr Martin,

May I start by thanking you for your marvellous efforts in securing planning permission for a new stadium. After so many false starts over the years I really thought it would never happen. The club now has huge potential to go places, and I’m sure attendances will increase in the new ground if you keep prices competitive compared to Premiership clubs. Through my season tickets this year I have introduced many friends with children to Roots Hall, and they have loved everything apart from the view from the family stand! In a new ground with good views you have potential to attract many more families, securing the support of the club into the future.

It’s the issue of families and events at White Hart Lane this weekend that has prompted this letter. This Saturday was my 9 year old son’s first experience of an away match, as it was for his 2 friends and their father who I also took along. I also know of many other family stand season ticket holders who used Saturday as an opportunity to experience their first away match and first visit to a Premiership ground.

Unfortunately the day was ruined by a thuggish element of our support, and on the way home my son and his friends were not talking about the fantastic view, loud crowd or experience of seeing England internationals, but of how they were scared by the louts around us.

One gentleman in particular arrived late and immediately started standing up abusing the home supporters. He was then abusive to an elderly couple next to me who asked him to sit down, behaving in an aggressive manner that scared my son and his friends. The stewards became involved and had a word with the gentleman, who then sat down and was not as bad for the rest of the match. However there were still outbursts of abusive and aggressive behaviour from him and his friends, which ruined the day for us all.

I was intending to take my son to Ipswich and Southampton but am now very doubtful whether I will. From reading reports on the Shrimperzone.com forum this was not an isolated incident, and it is probable that the club may have lost some younger supporters (certainly away from home) due to the weekend’s events.

I know that White Hart Lane is outside of your jurisdiction, and I have no complaints regarding the conduct or effectiveness of the stewards, however may I suggest that the following courses of action could improve the situation in the future:

• Issue a statement on the web site and in the next match programme condemning the abusive behaviour of the minority.
• For away games where we are taking a sizable support and are allocated more than one block, sell dedicated rows and/or blocks of seats to families, thus keeping them together and away from the more raucous supporters. I know this makes the logistics of the ticket sales more difficult, but I would hope that this would be offset by the benefits.

To summarise, in my view the new stadium will give massive opportunities to attract more families to Southend United, but it is essential that this is not undermined by a thuggish minority.
 
Hi mate,

I know this wont help much but I had the same view from my gf / mum.

Cutting a long-story short I/we blame it all on spurs, they wound us up from around 2:30 the stewards didn't help and everyone got far to carried away (I include myself into that).

I have been going to Southend for over 20 years now and I can honestly say I haven't seen it like that for over 10-15 years.

I can pretty much guarantee Ipswich / Southampton away will be fine albeit a bit of banter and swearing (the normal on an away game)

Hope this helps mate but chin up and honestly everyone got slightly carried away.
 
Also: Remember Ipswich away is a Derby and when the Saints came to the hall they started fighing amongst themselves.

Just a little reminder for you mate.
 
Sorry to hear of your experiences - Never nice with a young son.

Without meaning to trivialise your issue I dont really see what Ron Martin can do. After all he doesnt really know who is buying the tickets and really what can he do.

A comment in the programme will have no effect on anyone who is a bit thugish as I doubt they will buy it.

I do think your idea of family seats at away games is a good one. Nohing ****es me off more than a load of kids sitting about me so you cant really swear of shout abuse and it would be nice for the kids to sit together.

:thump:
 
Agree with everything said apart from blaming it all from Spurs - the thugs around me were entirely responsible for their own behaviour. I have also travelled away for years but this was the first time with children. I know swearing and banter and excessive drinking is part and parcel of football but Saturday was more sinister than that. I also know Ron can't do much but the allocation of rows/blocks to families is a practical solution that could work for the bigger away matches.
 
Also: Remember Ipswich away is a Derby and when the Saints came to the hall they started fighing amongst themselves.

Just a little reminder for you mate.

What kind of reply is this (or the previous one from SUFC4EVER)? Sadly a bit childish I believe.

Not able to take a bit of bantering and respond in a positive way that supports your team? Especially when reminded by stewards about your actions? And when all around you can see kids who then have to suffer, and sadly get influenced, by the like? Come on, try a bit harder.

I agree with Stodge. There is too much juvenile behaviour amongst fans and maybe the 'family block' would be an answer on such occassions. That would help those who want to make the effort from having to get too close to the moronic element.

That said, you will never prevent the 'over the top' taunting etc at football and I would be loathe to do much else other than what is being done already. Otherwise you risk killing the game by killing the atmosphere. From my experience on Saturday I thought the stewards did ok - one example was when they beckoned one of our fans who was over-stepping the mark for a talk, to his credit he did not protest, they took him out of the exit, obviously had a quiet word, and 10 mins later he was escorted back to his seat. Sensible stuff.

As an aside I did have to chuckle when the Spurs fans started singing 'whose the monkeys in our seats' to which three of our 'fans' stood up aggressively and, given they obviously had 'good faces for radio' got collectively laughed at by a good few of the Spurs mob who saw the connection with their previous chant.

Banter is fine in proportion and if well handled. By and large I thought it was on Saturday. Do not come to football expecting polite applause and 'jolly good show' shouts, if you do then sadly football cannot be for you. But well controlled stewardship and with the possible implementing ideas like that from Stodge can work.

Up the Blues
 
What kind of reply is this (or the previous one from SUFC4EVER)? Sadly a bit childish I believe.

Sorry?

I would say it was a nice reply actually. If this gentleman hadn't been to the Saints game at home or to Ipswich before then he might be in for a shock.

Thought it was nice to let him know as a little warning, especially as his son is involved.

Maybe I shouldnt bother next time then!
 
Cutting a long-story short I/we blame it all on spurs, they wound us up from around 2:30 the stewards didn't help and everyone got far to carried away (I include myself into that).

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There were people near me who would have acted in that way if the spurs crowd was full of 80 year old grannies so its not fare to blame it solely on spurs.

For me the problem was with bad elements in both crowds.

In the end we took 5000 supporters and 99% of them were there just for the occassion and the football, unfortunately there were some who though it was 1982 and didnt seem to want to watch the game.

Id certainly never take my daughter to an away game after that.
 
Think you will find they were singing who's the pikeys in our seats.


As an aside I did have to chuckle when the Spurs fans started singing 'whose the monkeys in our seats'
 
To be honest, I think what also wound me up was the stewards next to me. If you wasn't in my area then you wouldn't know etc but that did really annoy me!
 
Glad I didnt take my 8 yr old daughter , although she was with me at The Millenium v Wrexham when before the game i was fending of beach balls and other inflatables being slapped around her from point balnk range and then the English - Welsh banter/nastiness. I guess the family blocks cannot be viewed as a bad idea and after reading the Stewarding complaints I'd like to ask is it beyond the realms of possibilty to have some SUFC stewards working alongside those of the away side ??? . I dont want to wrap my kids in cotton wool and I think if you attend football matches you pretty much know what you are going to get ie. the last bastion of political incorrectness, and therefore i feel it is for me to decide if it is right for my children. What i am trying to say i think , is that I know that i have to act as the Censor , if you like .
 
part of football, games such as these this kind of thing happens, football wouldnt be the same without the banter so stop moaning. i sugest your kids were earmuffs in future
 
part of football, games such as these this kind of thing happens, football wouldnt be the same without the banter so stop moaning. i sugest your kids were earmuffs in future

No theres banter and then theres the other stuff that was going on.

Having our own supporters standing in front of fellow supporters for 90 minutes, often actually moving across one or two spaces and standing directly
in front of someone to shout abuse is not acceptable.

Banter is fine and amusing, threatening behaviour for 90 minutes without any intention of actually watching the game, or allowing fellow Southend fans from watchin it is not.

If I was the 5 or 6 people who had the game ruined by the idiots in Block 40 I think Id be within my rights to "moan".
 
the stewards at st marys do not put up with anything from the away fans. they make sure everyone has their bum on a seat or out you go!
 
If I was the 5 or 6 people who had the game ruined by the idiots in Block 40 I think Id be within my rights to "moan".[/QUOTE]

Do you know what seats they were in, as if they were season ticket holders, I am sure that what seat they got would be on SUFC's database.

Was it upper tier or lower? If it was upper then I have a feeling that it maybe someone that seats in the East Greens and is a mouthy **** who I have heard spouting racist things at our own players before.

He was also having a go at a steward after the game near the exit, and I felt really sorry for the steward who was backing away looking really scared.

I know that Dave Goody (at least I think it was Dave!) went and spoke to the steward afterwards to apologise.
 
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