Why drugs are good

[Ron Manager]

And Leah Betts died not of the drug she took but because she was uneducated in how to deal with it - she drowned by drinking too much water.

Exactly - instead of educating people they went on a crusade to stamp it out completely.

If everyone who drunk on a Friday and Saturday night took E instead the world would be a far safer and happier place. I'm not saying that's would should happen (I'm at the stage in my life where I'm far happier with a few beers) but it does put it into perspective.

 

[Desert Shrimper]

Exactly - instead of educating people they went on a crusade to stamp it out completely.

If everyone who drunk on a Friday and Saturday night took E instead the world would be a far safer and happier place. I'm not saying that's would should happen (I'm at the stage in my life where I'm far happier with a few beers) but it does put it into perspective.

It would certainly be a much happier place on Friday and Saturday nights (not so sure about the following Tuesdays/Wednesdays being very happy places though ;) )

 

[NZamba Legend]

Back in the late 1980s, during the height of scallydelia, myself and a few pals used to take E at friday night games before we went on to a club or rave. The atmosphere in the North Bank was banging in those days and there were regular cries of 'acieeed' and 'David Webb's acid party' from the chaps assembled behind the goal. One game I remember in particular, Roy McDonough scored a typical scrambled goal and celebrated to the massed ranks by lifting up his Blues shirt to reveal a smiley T-shirt. As you can imagine the flare-adorned, flowered up kids of South Essex erupted as their hero revealed that he too was being re-born in 'the age of aquarius'. A lad standing next to me was so e-d up he burst into tears at the sight of Big Roy's LSD revelation and smothered a melting mars bar across his own face. That same night after going to big warehouse rave somewhere off the M25 we broke back into Roots Hall, lit a fire on the north bank and watched the sun rise while we listened to a Doors cassette.

Can you tell that I am making this up...?

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

It would certainly be a much happier place on Friday and Saturday nights (not so sure about the following Tuesdays/Wednesdays being very happy places though ;) )

I've had very negative experiences with recreational drugs, but my vice was coke which is a mug's game. The first line is amazing, but as time goes on, the lines get fatter and the lies get bigger as you pursue a repeat of that first experience. Well it never happens. Instead of longing to be around other people so you can talk ****e, you retreat into your own little world, getting through hundreds of pounds worth of white powder as you sit in abject solitude. I don't want to come across as a boring old fart preaching to the youth about the evils of drugs, but don't try coke, it ruins your life.

I think the comments about E have a lot of validity though, and if it were legalised you wouldn't hear about cases such as Leah Betts because people wouldn't be so worried to admit they were 'feeling a bit weird', which can usually be sorted with some fresh air, water and a sit down. People don't fight on E, they don't steal for E - they just dance to Michael Jackson records with a load of trannies at Manumission in Ibiza. So I've heard. From a friend.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yeah but the trannies were friendly and did lend me a lovely hat.....

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yeah but the trannies were friendly and did lend me a lovely hat.....

Yeah, they were very friendly.....so I heard.

 

[Desert Shrimper]

I've had very negative experiences with recreational drugs, but my vice was coke which is a mug's game. The first line is amazing, but as time goes on, the lines get fatter and the lies get bigger as you pursue a repeat of that first experience. Well it never happens. Instead of longing to be around other people so you can talk ****e, you retreat into your own little world, getting through hundreds of pounds worth of white powder as you sit in abject solitude. I don't want to come across as a boring old fart preaching to the youth about the evils of drugs, but don't try coke, it ruins your life.

I think the comments about E have a lot of validity though, and if it were legalised you wouldn't hear about cases such as Leah Betts because people wouldn't be so worried to admit they were 'feeling a bit weird', which can usually be sorted with some fresh air, water and a sit down. People don't fight on E, they don't steal for E - they just dance to Michael Jackson records with a load of trannies at Manumission in Ibiza. So I've heard. From a friend.

Good post and not just because I worked a whole Summer at Manumission in 1995 with the aforementioned trannies, a few pornstars and a circus troupe of dwarves (I kid you not) some of whom were in "Time Bandits", which I thought was ****ing great (but I digress....) My take on coke is that it turns people into tw**s which is as good a reason as any not to take it. "Enough about me...let's talk about me" becomes the order of the night and after a few hours it all starts to get a bit grim round the edges as paranoia and comedowns kick in. Long-term coke heads are no fun to be around and seem to have their finger on the self-destruct button. Fair play to you Karlos for coming out the other side....

 

[class]

I did 2 E's when I saw The Prodigy at Brixton Academy! It was ****ing awesome, unfortunately I was in the seats though but I was still having it!

I'm going this year on dec 12th, mind you no pills for me!!

 

[* ORM *]

Warning

Children, Uncle Ken says do not follow the example of the bad boys in this thread and try drugs. Only use drugs from the doctor -- all other drugs are bad.

ORM says if you need drugs to have a good time you obviously have a big void in your life and should be put down immediately.

 

[MK Shrimper]

ORM says if you need drugs to have a good time you obviously have a big void in your life and should be put down immediately.

MK says I bet ORM enjoys a nice pint of beer or two.

 

[Irish_Shrimper]

 

[OldBlueLady]

Is that for me or Paul, Ant?!

 

[osymandus]

Yeah, they were very friendly.....so I heard.

7ft tall ones on stilts at pride in Brighton ... so i heard .. from a friend

 

[McNasty]

I have only had a bit of puff many many years ago, I don't smoke as I can't inhale and I don't drink as I have never found a drink I like enough to drink plenty of. The only drug I have is food. Tons of food.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

The anti-drug message isn't going to work for as long as the message is just "drugs are bad". Lumping all drugs together and criminalising those who dabble in them is doomed to failure as the last 30 or 40 years prove.

If you want to put people off drugs it is far more effective to be honest and say cocaine is bad because it turns you into an arse (or a bigger arse, depending on the user), than to say it is dangerous or it is illegal. As part of any honest discussion you need to include the positives as well as the negatives. Reading this thread (and the drugs are bad one) it is clear that quite a few people on here have experimented. It is also clear that many of those who have, are more articulate, more persuasive than those who just say "drugs are bad m'kay". I'm not an impressionable kid any more, but the people I'd like to emulate are those who have formed the considered, balanced arguments. Taking drugs doesn't appear to have affected their mental capabilities as they seem to be able to write coherent, articulate and persuasive arguments, possibly more so than those who are just outright opposed to drugs. Those who have dabbled seem to be able to deal with the issue in a rational, thoughtful and grown-up way. Obviously this argument falls down when you consider the government (and shadow government) who have pretty much all taken drugs yet are unable to tackle the issue in a sensible manner.

 

[OldBlueLady]

I pretty much agree with what you're saying there YB, but when you've witnessed first hand the effect the abuse of hard drugs on a husband and wife and their two children, it's very hard to seperate the "good" from the "bad". At 7, my niece could tell you how her dad prepared his heroin, and how he would inject it between his toes, and how she would get up in the night to feed and change her baby sister. We were only 24 hours away from having the two of them live with us on an emergency care order. As I've said before, this all started from smoking a bit of grass. I've no personal experience with E in my circle, but by all accounts, this does seem to be the least destructive.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

I pretty much agree with what you're saying there YB, but when you've witnessed first hand the effect the abuse of hard drugs on a husband and wife and their two children, it's very hard to seperate the "good" from the "bad". At 7, my niece could tell you how her dad prepared his heroin, and how he would inject it between his toes, and how she would get up in the night to feed and change her baby sister. We were only 24 hours away from having the two of them live with us on an emergency care order. As I've said before, this all started from smoking a bit of grass. I've no personal experience with E in my circle, but by all accounts, this does seem to be the least destructive.

There is no way I'm advocating heroin or drug addiction of any variety, but if the official line is always "drugs are bad" yet people's personal experiences of drugs are that it isn't necessarily bad, you are completely destroying the credibility of the anti-drugs message.

Millions of people smoke grass - I don't have to rely on government statistics to tell me that, as I can smell it walking down the street - yet millions of people haven't become heroin addicts.

If you want to cut the gateway between marijuana and heroin make marijuana legal. The fact that it is supposed to be so evil, yet in their personal experience it doesn't seem to cause any harm, only serves to encourage people to try other illicit and supposedly harmful substances.

 

[shrimpfan]

I pretty much agree with what you're saying there YB, but when you've witnessed first hand the effect the abuse of hard drugs on a husband and wife and their two children, it's very hard to seperate the "good" from the "bad". At 7, my niece could tell you how her dad prepared his heroin, and how he would inject it between his toes, and how she would get up in the night to feed and change her baby sister. We were only 24 hours away from having the two of them live with us on an emergency care order. As I've said before, this all started from smoking a bit of grass. I've no personal experience with E in my circle, but by all accounts, this does seem to be the least destructive.

watched a mate get the water to dilute his heroin tablet from the toilet pan into his works then wack it in his arm. that was 40 years ago lost maybe 20 odd mates or more . hard drugs are sad taken by sad people.