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[GBJ]

I think Ron is trying to save the club

In what way(s) do you think he is trying to save the club?

 

[C C Csiders]

I think Ron is trying to save the club,

I think you must mean the great love song "Save your club" by Rono and Ronato?

 

[southendkid]

In what way(s) do you think he is trying to save the club?

I'm not a Ron supporter, but it makes no sense for Ron to leave the club to die, especially before the new stadium is built. He has had ample opportunity to leave us to burn with all the winding up orders, he clearly wants us to survive, if only for his own personal gain. Now he probably isn't doing a very good job of keeping us afloat but I don't see how you can anymore, Ron crippled the club years ago.

 

[GBJ]

I'm not a Ron supporter, but it makes no sense for Ron to leave the club to die, especially before the new stadium is built. He has had ample opportunity to leave us to burn with all the winding up orders, he clearly wants us to survive, if only for his own personal gain. Now he probably isn't doing a very good job of keeping us afloat but I don't see how you can anymore, Ron crippled the club years ago.

Doesn't explain how he's trying to "save" the club.

 

[southendkid]

Doesn't explain how he's trying to "save" the club.

Cutting costs (e.g. the wage bill,) I'm not saying he's doing a good job about it, but he's not going to give up when he could make money off FF

 

[Kent Shrimper]

Necessary due diligence ? I'm sure I first read about the new ground in 1981, admittedly not FF. Since FF was first mooted how many other new grounds have been completed ? Chesterfield is the obvious one. Does FF predate Scunthorpe, Walsall, Huddersfield, MK Dons, Oxford and others I have forgotten ?

Anyone have 1 share they'd consider selling me or giving me proxy for the AGM ?

ORM, i will give you proxy for the AGM if your serious

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

He has lost interest in the club but he needs it for the time-being to get all his property development project through. He is doing this on the cheap by downsizing the club. Poorer football = less fans = No need for big expensive stadium

 

[Beefy]

The stadium hasn't been downsized though (other than the obvious hole where the Main Stand should be).

 

[Cricko]

ORM, i will give you proxy for the AGM if your serious

I think he picked one up this morning Andy from another Zoner.

 

[CC51DAS]

What is the point? You won't accept it.

The 06/07 figures were broken down here and nothing stood out as dodgy. I think Firestorm has noted on several occasions that our admin expensese are consistent with the level that they've been since the mid-90s. I'd like to see the expenses for 08/09 and 09/10 thouroughly broken down similar to how 06/07's were but I don't expect it to change people's preconceptions. It's a lot easier to think something is going on than accept the truth of how unviable a business Southend United is.

If he has nothing to hide he could always produce the bank statements. That would keep Firestorm out of mischief for a while and might also give us an idea about the cash position.

 

[CC51DAS]

He has lost interest in the club but he needs it for the time-being to get all his property development project through. He is doing this on the cheap by downsizing the club. Poorer football = less fans = No need for big expensive stadium

Here's another potential scenario from another thread :

[URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/misc/quote_icon.png"][/URL] Originally Posted by Beefy [URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png"][URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png"][/URL][/URL]
From the looks of things the whole development (the shops, the hotel, the flats, the casino) is going to take years to complete now that he wasn't able to get the cash together to do it in one go. He's going to have to keep the Council onside for, I'd guess, up to a decade. I don't think he can afford to let the football club go bust at the first possible moment."


Or he goes back to the council and tells them there is no money to build even a three sided stadium until the retail development is up and running and providing a revenue stream. So he forces the council to override the requirement to build a new ground before we vacate RH, keeping Sainsbury's happy (and the council quietly happy too in view of the increased revenue they will derive from the new developments).

We end up ground sharing with Dagenham and Redbridge - or if we have dropped into the Blue Square Thingy by then, Billericay Town.

RM then sells the development rights to the retail park to the highest bidder - gives Tara his £3m quid back - and sets sail for the British Virgin Islands.

Won't happen of course :unsure:

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Here's another potential scenario from another thread :

[URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/misc/quote_icon.png"][/URL] Originally Posted by Beefy [URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png"][URL="http://www.shrimperzone.com/vb/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png"][/URL][/URL]
From the looks of things the whole development (the shops, the hotel, the flats, the casino) is going to take years to complete now that he wasn't able to get the cash together to do it in one go. He's going to have to keep the Council onside for, I'd guess, up to a decade. I don't think he can afford to let the football club go bust at the first possible moment."


Or he goes back to the council and tells them there is no money to build even a three sided stadium until the retail development is up and running and providing a revenue stream. So he forces the council to override the requirement to build a new ground before we vacate RH, keeping Sainsbury's happy (and the council quietly happy too in view of the increased revenue they will derive from the new developments).

We end up ground sharing with Dagenham and Redbridge - or if we have dropped into the Blue Square Thingy by then, Billericay Town.

RM then sells the development rights to the retail park to the highest bidder - gives Tara his £3m quid back - and sets sail for the British Virgin Islands.

Won't happen of course :unsure:

Lets hope not.

 

[Blue_Wes]

Wasn't this exactly what was proposed some time ago? I vaguely remember a January move in point being mentioned at some point...



But that's assuming that we do indeed slip to below 17th, and CB is using that assumption as a stick to beat Sturrock with which is entirely unfair.

Yes he is assuming, hence why he put in line to finish, not we will...so by all accounts he wasn't wrong as you stated. However, you are right in who he is beating the stick with, it shouldn't be Sturrock, but Ron. It's no coincidence the awful run we are on started with the non-payment of wages.

In fact Sturrock is more or less on a par with last seasons supposed gutless bunch for this seasons period following non-payment(s) (games 32-41 I think), with 7 points to 6 points last season, although at this stage last year the players were 3 months behind and the morale undoubtedly more despondent. It seem's for raising morale in the face of adversity the 'tactically astute' Sturrock is on a par with Tilson.

 

[Beefy]

We're not in danger of relegation this year though. It's not exactly unusual for midtable sides to switch off at the end of the season.

 

[CC51DAS]

Lets hope not.

Alternatively, and more probably, in order to comply with the planning consent before it expires, he does the minimum necessary to constitute 'substantive works' - this could for example just be digging foundations, laying drainage pipes etc for just ONE side of the ground and then puts up stands like the Gillingham away end on two or three sides of the ground. If he provides a pitch and some rudimentary facilities he could then maintain that he has complied with the covenant requiring a new stadium to be built before SUFC leaves RH.

Would such a ground be afforded League status ? There are certainly plenty of ropey ones in the League at present - but if there was a problem we could drop out of the Football League - IIRC the covenant said nothing about SUFC having to maintain League status.

 

[Blue_Wes]

We're not in danger of relegation this year though. It's not exactly unusual for midtable sides to switch off at the end of the season.

It is when half the squad are supposed to be playing to get their contracts renewed.

And we were pushing for a play off spot when we 'switched off' this season. Granted we have had terrible luck with injuries, but Ron's payment of wages issue came at the worst possible time as we had something achieveable to play and aim for. That opportunity has gone, and we are playing with the same lethargy that seem's to have been present since the wages were not paid (on time).

By Martin's statement, the management and players should have remained motivated and professional for the final push for the play offs, irrespective of off the field issues.

 

[CC51DAS]

We're not in danger of relegation this year though. It's not exactly unusual for midtable sides to switch off at the end of the season.

What if the seaso card renewals are so poor that he decides to put the club into admin this season ?

 

[Jam_Man]

What if the seaso card renewals are so poor that he decides to put the club into admin this season ?

What would he achieve by putting the club into admin ? The clubs incomings will still not match the outgoings afterwards.

 

[Beefy]

What if the seaso card renewals are so poor that he decides to put the club into admin this season ?

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post... I don't think the players are playing to try to get a few hundred extra renewals. But either way, why would he do that? There's a reason why he's sunk several million quid of the profits from the sale of Roots Hall into keeping the Club out of administration.

RM could put the Club into administration whenever he wants to. He just has to attempt to call in any of the loans in the accounts. I'm not sure why he'd want to though.

 

[southendkid]

What if the seaso card renewals are so poor that he decides to put the club into admin this season ?

As far as I understand administration doesn't clear our debts, it just brings someone in who will sell all our assets (ie any player we can get money for) and lay off staff to balance the books