How to not get done for speeding!

[TrueBlue]

SAVE YOUR
DRIVING LICENCE
AVOIDING THE SPEEDING TICKET

What must the officer do, and what should you do

When you are being reported for speeding, the Police Officer must tell you:

"That you will be reported for consideration of the question of prosecuting you for
exceeding the speed limit." It must either be given verbally or in writing at the time,
or in writing within fourteen days or a summons be issued within fourteen days.
Following this Notice of Intended Prosecution, he should then caution you by
saying, "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do
not mention when questioned, something you later rely on in Court. Anything you
do say may be given in evidence."

Under Section 1 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act, 1988, section 1, it states, " A
person shall not be convicted of an offence to which this section applies,
(speeding, dangerous driving, careless driving, failing to conform to traffic lights,
failing to conform to stop signs, continuous white lines in the middle of the road
and other mandatory road signs) unless the Notice of Intended Prosecution was
given.

When being booked for speeding or any other offence, if possible switch on a tape
recorder or Dictaphone so that you have a record of what the officer says.
Be careful, some Police Forces do have the N.I.P. printed on the HO/RT/1
producer form or on specially printed forms for speeding offences.


How to avoid being nicked when you are stopped


In a word. Act. However much you want to tell the police how crap his last
manoeuvres were, you actually do this...Dependent on how bad the offence is,
because remember, by the time he gets to your car he has pretty well made up
his or her mind what they will be doing.

Try your utmost to make the officer truly believe that he has really got to your soul.
He will always have a cautionary tale of something gruesome that just happens to
have occurred right next to where you are. They make these lectures often. They
want to feel that by telling you they can 'make a difference' Be craven, make sure
you stop the very instant you know you are going to be stopped, be on the
pavement looking seriously glum. If your licence has already has points on it, you
are going to need talent.

Go with the super-miserable, "Oh god, I of all blokes should know better by now,"
if you can raise a Hollywood tear you are Oscar material. No matter how base,
low and s**t it makes you feel, exult in the aftermath when you get a good ticking-
off but no ticket
What to do if caught

Firstly, not enough people who are caught fight it in court, they simply accept it,
get the points and pay the fine. If more than 10% fought the ticket I think the
judicial system dealing with this would be overwhelmed and brought down on its
knees. If in doubt, fight it. The worst thing that can happen is that you will be
convicted of you original offence. You can get a heftier fine and more points in
court, but unless you were doing silly speeds, it’s unlikely.

Make the systems life HELL when fighting it. Remember it is going to cost the
system a huge amount of money to prosecute you, in the officer's time, court's
time, prosecutor's time etc. The best thing you can do is make it worse.
Here are some steps you can take.

What to do at the scene

It is critical that you start contesting your ticket at the scene of the alleged offence.
You must judge the officer’s temperament and situation and decide for yourself.
You are more likely to get let off by a normal officer (black hat, black uniform) than
by a traffic officer (white hat, green overcoat). Remember, its a traffic cop's job to
catch you, the normal cop probably does not want the added paperwork (I know
someone who was let off in town for doing 70mph because he said he thought he
was still on the motorway). If the officer asks you how fast you think you were
going you can take one of three approaches.
1. You can deny it outright and tell him you weren't speeding, that you
checked the speedometer. DO NOT get into an argument, but do not admit
guilt. This is unlikely to prevent him from giving you a ticket, but you can tell
judge at a trial that you were not speeding and you checked the
speedometer, you can have the officer confirm that in your cross
examination of him. This will serve to make your case stronger.

2. You can say that you are not sure, your mind was elsewhere. If he insists
you were speeding, then sidestep by saying something like, "I guess I must
have been otherwise you would not have stopped me DO NOT admit guilt,
this approach simply reiterates the officers accusation. This is difficult to
use as evidence in court on both sides.

3. Be honest and admit guilt. If you are stopped by a traffic officer, then you
are going to get a ticket anyway so this is a stupid approach. If it is a
normal officer, you may get off for being honest. This approach relies on
luck. Forget fighting it in court if you admit guilt.
NEVER admit guilt, even if you do not intend fighting it, none of the I have a
plane to catch, I'm late for work, my house is on fire.
All speed-pacing police cars have to have their Speedo's measured and certified.
Only traffic police cars are done, and the Speedo will have increments of 1 mph's.
If you are stopped by a non-traffic officer, and told that he/she followed you and
you were speeding, simply ask as a matter of course when his Speedo was last
calibrated. It is likely he will let you go since normal police (Beat) cars do not
have certified Speedo’s; theirs is the same as yours and mine.

NEVER surrender your licence at the roadside; you will get a chance to take it
to a police station. Surrendering your licence at the roadside is an
admission of guilt. Surrendering it at a police station later is just abiding by
the law.

This is unlikely to prevent him from giving you a ticket, but you can tell the judge
at a trial that you were not speeding and you checked the speedometer, you can
have the officer confirm that in your cross examination of him. This will serve to
make your case stronger.

If you are given a ticket, study it carefully before leaving the scene.
The officer will ask if you have questions about the ticket, and you will:

DO NOT get cocky at the scene, you have nothing against the police officer,
he/she is only doing his/her job. It is the system that you want to fight
(legally I mean!).

If you were caught on a Radar gun

Ask to have a look at the radar gun and check that the gun displays the speed
that you were stopped for. If possible, get the make, model and serial number of
the radar gun. Ask the officer to demonstrate that the radar gun is calibrated (he
will probably not do this, if not assume it is not calibrated and use it as evidence).

Do not regard self-diagnostics as accurate, Radar guns are calibrated with a pair
of tuning forks, and only this external test may be considered accurate. If the
officer refuses to demonstrate the calibration, ask him to prove that he has tuning
forks in the car (he will probably not be too happy at this point, but he can not do
anything, your requests are legitimate). If he doesn't, tell the judge because this
means (at least in your eyes) that that the gun is not calibrated.


If you were caught on a LIDAR gun

Ask to have a look at the radar gun and check that the gun displays the speed
that you were stopped for. If possible, get the make, model and serial number of
the laser unit. Note the positioning of the unit in relation to the sun or any other
bright red or white light. LIDAR uses infrared light. and does not work as well
when aimed into infrared light sources like the sun or high beam headlights. Ask
when the unit was last calibrated. Ask to see a demonstration of the calibration.
The same notes apply for the RADAR gun. These however, are not tuned by forks
(I do not know how they are done).

YOU MUST MAKE NOTES AT THE SCENE. The officer certainly will. In court
you may be asked if the notes were made while the events were still fresh in your
mind. If you want to use the notes, then the answer must be a yes. Note the
following:

The answers to any questions you asked the officer.
Any items you noted above.
Positions of OTHER CARS. You may be able to claim that he metered
someone else, but stopped you (particularly lorries, since radar is good at
locking into a larger object)..
The weather conditions.
The time and date.
Your direction of travel and the source and destination.
The lane you were in and the name of the road, also the area.
The officer's direction of travel and lane, or note if he was parked
A brief physical description of the officer so you recognize him in court
(PHOTO if possible)
Take the officer's number, and the unit number on his car.

If you were caught on a Camera

The police MUST send you a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days.
If they do not, the case is a non-starter.

Preparing for trial

Examine the ticket a few times. Look for mistakes on the ticket such as a wrong
name, time, date, or location. If there are any, you should tell them to the
Magistrate.

Gather evidence, you should write to the police and ask for at least the following
items:


Full copy of the Instruction manual for the RADAR/LIDAR device used.
Copy (both sides) of the calibration certificate.
Details of the training (copy of certificate if there is one) given to the officer
in the use of the PARTICULAR device.

I also recommend that you return to the scene and take pictures of the area,
including any signs, which indicate the law. Make sure that your pictures are clear.
DO NOT use a digital camera, to the best of my knowledge it’s not admissible.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Or....don't break the speed limit. Just an idea.

 

[TrueBlue]

If the Crown Requests an Adjournment

An Adjournment is a postponement of the original trial date. The prosecution may
ask for an adjournment because the officer cannot appear on the trial date, which
was set. If possible DO NOT agree to this, tell the judge that you had to take a
day off work to appear or something (try not to lie.).

Make note of any irregularities in the procedure in your statement to the judge.
Irregularities include things such as the wrong ticket number printed on the notice,
a silly reason for requesting adjournment (such as a planned holiday, which the
police should have known about before setting the date), or receipt of the
adjournment notice too close to the trial date.

It is possible that if you protest the adjournment, it will be denied. In this case (no
pun intended) the charges should be dropped since you can't have a case without
the officer’s presence.

In Court

Check in with the prosecutor and usher and make sure you are on the case list,
and that he knows you have appeared for trial. This is just to make your presence
known, and hope that may offer a plea bargain at this point, which you could
consider. He may not look for the officer. If he doesn't appear, the charges should
be dropped. This is where it is handy to reference the physical description you
should have taken at the scene. If the officer does appear he may approach you
and ask to talk to you before the trial. You don't have to, but it is polite to. Ask him
to withdraw the charge. He won't likely do that.

DO NOT indicate your strategy to him, or show him any notes or pictures. Keep
this stuff in a manila envelope or briefcase so that it is out of view prior to the
actual trial.

Cross Examining the Officer

This is your chance to put your notes and pictures to work. Ask the officer
questions about the day to establish whether he really remembers the incident
and you. If he doesn't seem to, ask him directly whether he really remembers
what happened that day. Destroying the officer’s credibility is an excellent way to
get acquitted. Ask about the radar or lidar equipment. If the officer refused to demonstrate the
calibration, ask why and demand to know if the unit was truly calibrated. Each
situation is different, but you should be able to use your notes to develop a
strategy, which insinuates that the equipment used to clock your speed was not
accurate. If you achieve this you will be acquitted.

Ask the officer about the laws in the area. This includes turn controls, signalling
devices, speed limits, and so on. If he doesn't get it right, use your pictures of the
area to prove that he is wrong. Showing that the officer does not understand the
laws in effect in the area is another good way to reduce his credibility as a witness
against you.

You can try to go for the attack that the clocking may have been racially
motivated. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS and proceed with caution. If all goes
well, you may make the officer lose his cool and throw a wobbly, this will drop his
credibility. Or you may end up with a charge of contempt. Personally, I would
leave this side of things unexplored.

Courtesy and Appearance

Do not underestimate the impression of a shower, clean shave, haircut, and nice
suit and tie at the trial. You will look more innocent in this type of dress, and your
chance of acquittal or fine reduction will be improved. You must also be courteous
to the judge and officers of the court. If you make the judge mad, you will be
convicted, so don't make him/her mad.

Summary of Detection Methods

What do policemen use to detect speeders on the road?
Their primary method of detection is to use a laser gun. Being one of the newest
technologies and unlike radar guns, a laser beam doesn't spread out much at all,
so the police can pinpoint one car and get a precise reading on it. So, why don't
police just use laser? You need a VERY steady hand to use a laser gun, because
the beam travels so fast there and back and the computer calculates the speed
based on perhaps a quarter second burst. So, if the policeman moves his arm so
much as a millimetre while shooting the gun, and the beam moves to a point on
the car that is closer or further away then the initial contact point, the reading will
be totally off. Think about it, if a policeman were pointing the gun at a front licence
plate that is 150 feet away, a tiny movement of his arm would move the beam to
the windshield of the car.

Because of these problems with laser, some courts in the USA have ruled that
police cannot use laser for speed detection unless they can cross-reference their
speed estimate by either a stopwatch or radar.

Radar guns use 3 different bands, these are X, K, and Ka super wide. There isn't
a huge difference in performance of any of these bands, they just use different frequencies. Even with all the new technologies out there, police still tend to rely
on their radar guns, they are tried and true.
They do have a number of drawbacks, however. The beam emitted from a radar
gun spreads rapidly, which means it performs poorly in heavy traffic conditions.

There are several other methods of detection the police may use. One of them is
a speed trap such as Autovision, VASCAR, DS2 etc. Listed in the last pages, in
which a portion of road has been measured or had devices fitted in the tarmac,
and when you enter the speed trap, the police start a timer, video or similar.... and
they can calculate your speed based on how long it takes you to get through the
speed trap. These can work very well.

There's also photo radar, Gatso which may be built into traffic lights in medium to
large size cities. The radar beam will calculate your speed, and snap a picture of
your licence plate... and you'll get a ticket in the mail in 14 days.

Evasion Methods

Stay alert!!!! Speeding requires concentration if you don't want to get caught.
Keep your eyes peeled for police cars, as well as unmarked vehicles, Look for
Video units, twin rear view mirrors. Slow down in areas where you can't see
what's on the hard shoulders.

Don't pass other drivers at high speeds. They could be an off-duty copper. Slow
down when approaching other cars, and pass them at a steady pace. Watch in
your rear-view mirror, cars you pass should be receding. If they began to pick up
pace, slow down.

If there are other cars going by at higher speeds, take advantage of it! Get in
behind them with plenty of distance between you and follow for a while at a
slightly slower speed. Blend back into the traffic after a period and wait for another
to come along.

Don't keep up a sustained high speed. This is self-explanatory. The longer you go
at a very high speed, the more likely you are to be caught.

Drive a nondescript vehicle. Police are only human! They're more likely to go for
that shiny yellow Porsche then a dirty grey Volvo. Avoid sporty cars with bright
colours. This doesn't mean you have to drive a crappy car! Just keep it simple,
after all everybody hates boy racers.

What is "Reasonable and Prudent?"

There are lots of idiots on the roads who floor the pedal and go shooting by
everyone. Not everyone is like this, however. There are plenty of people who drive
at a "reasonable and prudent" rate, regardless of the posted limit. It's impossible
for a set speed limit to be able to apply to every time of the day and the situation.
For example, you're going down a busy city street with the speed limit posted at 30. There are a lot of pedestrians and bicycles, and traffic is busy. It's a situation
where going at the posted limit or less is the best option.
How about when you're on a country road with miles of straight stretches and no
vehicles as far as eye can see, yet the speed limit is only 60?

You will find out that your driving performance and the number of tickets you get
in your lifetime depends not on your following of the posted limits, but your ability
to judge the situation and drive at a speed fitting for it. Police themselves regularly
use common sense for what speed is suitable, which is why they frequently let
people get away with highway speeds 10 mph over the limit, as long as the driving
situation doesn't make that speed dangerous.

Here are a few tips on how to be reasonable and prudent yourself

Stay at or under posted limits in the cities. Even late at night with little traffic, stay
close to those limits. There is a lot more things that can happen on one of those
streets than a major highway.

Stay at the limit the first time you go over a country area road. Once you know the
twists and turns and what to expect, then you will be more comfortable going
faster, and still be safer then you were the first few times you took that road.
Watch your highway speeds and be alert. Never exceed a speed where you do
not feel in control of your car.

 

[TrueBlue]

Evasion Devices

There are plenty of gadgets out there that claim to help you get away with
speeding. Most of them don't work!!! But some do.

Radar Detectors - Don't rely on all of these, well not all of them. The better ones
such as the Bel 990 and Valentine One can give you a good warning on Gatso's.

The way a detector works is it picks up a radar signal that might bounce off
another car close to you. Automatic Doors, Traffic lights and Temporary Traffic
lights also set off these units along with other innocent devices. If the police target
you first, you're caught, because then you have no advance warning to slow
down. If you're going to get one, make sure it has VG-2 detector detection. A VG-
2 radar can sense if the targeted vehicle is using a radar detector, and police love
to pick on people with one!

Learn to understand the unit; they can save you if you think about things, learning
about the vocabulary of the burglar alarms, traffic light sensors and all that. If you
pay attention even the lower cost units could save you.

An important note, Radar Detectors do not work through Heated Windscreens,
nor do they pick up traps like VASCAR, DS2, Speed master and alike, they are
only good for RADAR signals.

Gadget for the dashboard.... Yes....Ticket saver......Yes.


Laser Detectors - These are absolutely worthless. There's almost no reflection of
a laser beam, so the only way a laser detector will go off is if you're the target, it’s
too late then. They pretty much just tell you that you've been caught. Some
manufactures claim 360-degree coverage, what about door pillars blocking the
laser light etc.

Gadget for the dashboard.... Yes.... Ticket saver...No

Radar Jammers - These work, well sort of, if you are a distance away from the
Speed trap you may have enough strength in your signal to jam the trap, but as
you get closer it's another story. Read on.

There are two different kinds of Jammer, active and passive. Active Jammers are
illegal in some countries, they beam back garbage to the radar receiver. A passive
jammer is running constantly and basically scrambles the radar signal so the
police get either an erroneous reading or no reading.

Be warned, radar guns and Gatso's can punch through most jamming at ranges of
150 feet or less.

I spoke recently to a salesman selling the Rocky Mountain Radar unit called, Sprit
II he confirmed that he would not speed past a Gatso with one of these units in his
car, he didn't trust it to do the job at a distance of less than 150ft. So would you
spend £250 notes on it.... I think not.

Gadget for the dashboard.... Yes.... Ticket saver...Not a chance....

Laser Jammers - These use invisible IR. Beams that break up the laser beam by
interfering with the frequencies that the beam uses. They reduce the likelihood of
a laser locking onto you by a pretty large margin. Most of the systems sold at the
moment give you a warning that the jammer is working while it blocks the signal,
some models give only 5 seconds to slow, others like the Blinder jam for as long
as a laser is fired at them, giving plenty of time to slow down.

Gadget for the dashboard.... Yes.... Ticket saver...Yes. If you fit it correctly and
buy the right one.

You do however need to do other things to your vehicle to protect it from Laser.

GATSO Proof ' Number Plate Protectors. - Well some work well and some
don't, There are several types on the market... the Flash buster Type which has a
highly reflective backing and letters that have the same reflective properties as the
back don't work well, if at all. I have heard that the police can still read the letters
and numbers, this is not totally confirmed though, but at between £50 & £80 for
the plates I would want a guarantee that they worked.

Another type is from 'ON TRACK', they seam to work in the following way, Photo radar operates at known angles to the direction of traffic flow. Using a passive,
state-of-the-art light-bending lens, the camera is unable to identify your vehicle
because of the angle of the plate in relation to the Gatso. A 5-minute installation is
all that is required and at less than £40 it could be a good buy. I have tried one
and yes they do work.

Are they legal? Well, that's a bit of a grey area, the number plate is still completely
readable from straight on, but you could get prosecuted for perverting the Course
of Justice, so one officer told me. They also have the technology to process the
picture to get the VRN information if needed, but we could not see how.

Gadget for defence.... Yes.... Ticket saver...Yes / Possibly

Final Word from a Traffic Officer

I would make a personal comment that it matters not if people contest the speed
at the scene; it happens all of the time. If the equipment has been tested properly
then there should be no problem.

More often if a speed is contested and the defence requests an expert witness
then they will end up paying the bill if found guilty. This is what happened in the
case of the individual who ended up with legal expenses totalling £15.000
contesting the accuracy of the LTI 20-20 in 1999. Remember your chances of
being found not guilty at Court are very very slim.

If you genuinely believe that you are innocent, then please fight it, but if not be
warned that it can cost you dear. I would add that I believe that police officers
should use the equipment properly because motorists are NOT criminals they
are in most cases decent people who have infringed Traffic Law.

If you state that you checked your speedometer and it did not say the same as the
speed detection it matters not because the defence can only challenge the
operation and accuracy of the device being used.

There is no obligation for the police officer to show the recorded speed, because
in the case of a follow check that would not be possible and in any event the
officers will not reveal when a device was last calibrated other than in Court.
I accept that we do show the speed recorded as a matter of best practice and in
cross-examination this can be confirmed with the defence, as this will strengthen
the prosecution case as to being open and honest. Not all a one-way street when
it comes to tactics?

 

[TrueBlue]

As for trying to get the officer to let you off a speed, it will most likely fail, if you are
stopped you will almost certainly receive a ticket or a summons and any
admission that perhaps your attention wandered might leave you open to a more
serious offence, perhaps Driving Without Due Care and Attention?

I guess we might be impressed with a really original excuse but you'll have to be
good as we've heard just about every combination going and in most languages including sign, repeatable and otherwise. I would say that when someone
becomes abusive a professional officer would not react other than remain calm
and deal with the individual, as he should.

At the end of the day just being really honest might just do the trick because then
no one feels insulted or undermined, not the police officer because he knows and
not the driver because he knows. A very remote possibility but its human nature
and there are no hard and fast rules.

Whatever peoples views are, unless drivers and riders take a slightly different
approach to speed then the chances of losing your licence will increase as the
speed limits decrease, it is already happening.

Regards
Name supplied.

Human Rights

Thousands of people have recently been issued a Notice of Intended Prosecution
(NIP) for an alleged minor speeding offence. Where the NIP states that the speed
limit was allegedly exceeded, the following advice is given as a procedure to
adopt.

Procedure

Company Owned Vehicle

Company receives a demand for information on the driver of a vehicle at a time,
date and place as stated on the form.

At this stage the form asks for details of the driver of the vehicle. This form must
be completed by the company, not the driver, and returned to the sender.

All Vehicles

Driver receives Notice of Intended Prosecution. The driver must complete all
relevant sections on the form and return it to the sender.

The driver may later receive a fixed penalty ticket accompanied by a 'Conditional
Offer' to pay a fixed penalty fine and/or attend a 'Speed Awareness Course' in
place of penalty points.

The driver writes a letter to the authority requesting evidence concerning the
alleged offence, e.g. copy photograph, certificate of compliance for the camera (if
appropriate) and a copy of the Police Officer's statement - as required for lawful
and necessary corroboration - if a mobile camera is involved. The driver may then
receive a letter stating that the request is denied - stating words to the effect that
photographic evidence can only be seen when a decision is made to prosecute and summons the driver to appear before a Court. This letter should also detail a
denial for the other items of evidence, but often fails to mention them.

It is only at this stage that the alleged driver should consider sending to the
authority, the letter as shown below.

It is advisable that all correspondence be delivered via Recorded Delivery.

Dear Sirs,
I acknowledge receipt of your letter-dated..........in, which you allege that I have
committed a speeding offence. That letter does not provide, or offer to provide,
any evidence that I have indeed committed such an offence.

I regard your allegation with the utmost concern as I am being asked to make a
very important decision, which could very seriously affect my future quality of life.
I shall be grateful therefore if you will advise me where, in law, does it state or
allow for evidence against a suspect to be deliberately withheld following, or
during, the process of an official demand for the payment of money (in this case a
£60.00 fixed penalty (or) £95.00 for a 'Speed Awareness Course'.

Further, whereby failure to pay that money on demand will expose the person
suspected of that offence to a possible fine of up to £1000.00 (plus costs) at a
Magistrates' Court, an amount that is in excess of 16 times (or 11 times)
(respectively) the amount of money previously demanded.

This, in my view, could potentially be a criminal offence in itself, the offence of
demanding money with menaces. It is also arguably a breach of my human rights
in that I am being subjected to unreasonable and possibly unlawful pressure by
being placed into a 'pay us now and save yourself harassment later' position.
I am entitled, in law, to all and any evidence that I have committed the offence
complained of before I pay any money to you - not just at Court, but as soon as
you issue me with a fixed penalty (or offer me a speed awareness course).

I look forward to your response.
Yours faithfully
Further information: It is advised that all threats received after this letter is
sent, be ignored - a letter will probably be received with words to the effect,
"we are complying with the regulations so pay up within seven days or a
court case will be prepared" etc...

To date, there have been no prosecutions of any alleged (minor speeding)
offender who has compiled and sent a letter similar to the above.

This was another posting on the forum. This was an answer to someone
posting about receiving a NIP in the post and taking it on the chin.

What proof do they have that:
1. The vehicle in the picture is yours and not a clone?
2. The speed trap device is accurate?
3. The proper guidelines have been followed?
4. You were actually driving the car at the time?
Reply to the NIP stating "I am unable to provide you with the information you
require". Don't sign it. Enclose a covering letter stating that you wish to see a copy
of the photographic evidence, and a copy of the calibration certificate for the
speed detection equipment.

Also ask for a copy of the guidelines and manufacturers instructions for the use of
that equipment, plus a copy of the relevant pages of the operator's (Policeman's)
notebook, detailing the entire chain of events starting from when they parked the
van to when they packed up and drove away. This will tell you whether the
relevant instructions were followed.

You may not receive all of this straight away but be persistent. Regarding the
photographs, make it clear to them that at present you are unable to provide them
with the information they require and you need to see the photographic evidence
in order that it might help you do this (notice the word "might").

Once you receive the photographs, you will (naturally) still not be able to identify
the driver and will probably have doubts as to whether it is you car or not. Ask
them to prove that it is indeed your car in the picture and not a similar make/model
with false number plates. In the meantime, try and work out a way to place
yourself and your car elsewhere at the time. (Be careful here, you don't want to
lay yourself open to perjury!).

In addition to this, you could refuse to answer their questions on the grounds that
it is your right to do so under the terms of the European convention of Human
Rights. See www.righttosilence.org.uk for more information and also
information on a current case before the ECHR specifically regarding this.

Depending upon how far you want to take things you could cite this case and ask
for a stay of proceedings until you have the outcome of a similar action on your
own behalf.


To summarise

1. Cause the buggers as much inconvenience as humanly possible.
2. Demand to see ALL the evidence against you.
3. Demand verification that all procedures have been followed and that the
equipment is calibrated.
4. Ask what proof, rather than circumstantial evidence, they have that they have
identified the vehicle correctly.
5. Ask what proof they have as to the identity of the driver (they will have none at
all).
6. Play the human rights card. If everybody did this, the system would collapse.


Driving by the Rules
Motoring Laws

The following is only a selection of the important UK motoring laws in summary
form.

Fixed penalties for motoring offences

Non-endorsable / endorsable
A police officer decides
A cheaper option
Multi-offence conviction
Accumulation of points
Speed limits.
Evidence in speeding cases
Penalty points system

Fixed penalties for motoring offences

There are two main groups of motoring offences for which a Fixed Penalty Notices
(FPN) may be issued.

For minor offences involving no licence endorsements, the FPN will be £20.00
outside London and £40.00 for a Red Route offence. These offences range from
improper parking to the non-wearing of a seat belt. In Scotland the scheme is
much wider. For some more serious offences involving the endorsements of penalty points on
licences, the FPN will be £60.00. If payment is made within 28 days that will be
the end of the matter.
More serious offences are outside the scope of the FPN schemes so penalty
points may only be imposed by a court.

 

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Non-endorsable / endorsable

In the case of non-endorsable offences involving stationary vehicles (e.g..
Parking), FPN may be fixed to a vehicle by a traffic warden or a police officer.
In the case of other minor offences related to driving a vehicle, but not involving
licence endorsements (e.g.. Not wearing a safety helmet or driving the wrong way
in a one-way street), a FPN may be given to the driver but only by a uniformed
police officer.

To challenge a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) or have mitigating circumstances
considered, write to the council whose address is on the back of the ticket. If they
refuse to cancel the ticket you can take up an appeal with an independent
tribunal.

In the case of endorsable offences coming within the scheme, only a uniformed
police officer is able to give a FPN

Traffic wardens may, however, issue notices for parking in pedestrian crossing
areas, subject to local policy. The police officer will want to examine the driver’s
licence in order to check any penalty points, because a FPN cannot be given for
an offence, which would take the total points to 12 or more, as this generally
requires disqualification to be ordered by a court.

A police officer decides

Whether the offence involves points or not, only a police officer can decide when
to give a FPN. A driver cannot demand such an opportunity to avoid prosecution
in a court.

In the case of an endorsable offences, the driver will be asked to surrender
his/hers licence to the police officer on receiving the FPN.

If a driver has not got his/her licence with them, they will issue a "Provisional
Fixed Penalty Notice" requiring him/her to take it to a police station of there
choice, (other than one in Scotland), within 7 days and, provided endorsement
does not bring the number of penalty points to 12 or more, the provisional fixed
penalty will be converted to a substantive one. The licence will be returned after
the penalty points have been endorsed and the penalty has either been paid of
registered as a fine.

If a fixed penalty is not paid, or a court hearing not requested within 28 days by
the registered owner of the vehicle, the penalty will be increased by 50% and
registered as a fine after which the court will be able to use all its powers to
enforce payment.

The motorist is under no obligation to pay a fixed penalty if he/she considers
himself/herself innocent of any offence charged and the right to elect trial in court
is clearly stated in the notice. He/she has 28 days to decide what to do - pay the
penalty or take the matter to the court.

A cheaper option

Generally speaking, payment of the fixed penalty is likely to be a cheaper option
than contesting the matter in court, where there is a risk of costs being awarded
against the motorist. Whilst attendance at court is usually unnecessary if pleading
guilty to a relatively minor offence, the motorist still suffers inconvenience and
anxiety prior to the court hearing - he/she has to consider preparing a statement
of mitigating circumstances, there is the inevitable wait before being informed of
the fine imposed and the need to arrange prompt payment after notification. This
can be avoided if the motorist accepts the fixed penalty. Seek advice in this case
from a legal department.

Multi-offence conviction

On conviction of more than one offence on the same occasion, penalty points are
only be imposed in respect of the offence receiving the highest number of points.

Accumulation of points

Disqualification for at least 6 months will follow the accumulation of 12 penalty
points within the period of 3 years - for instance four 3 point speeding offences
committed.

Once this has happened the points cease to count and after the expiry of the
disqualification the driver starts again with a 'clean slate'. If the driver has 12
points of more has already had a disqualification within 3 years preceding the
commission of the latest offence he/she will be disqualified for at least 12 months.
If he/she has had two or more he/she will be disqualified for at least 2 years.

The courts have the power to order shorter disqualification or no disqualification if
exceptional hardship is involved but their powers to do so are restricted.

Offenders will not be able to plead the same mitigating circumstances more than
once in three years. Penalty points for each offence, which do not result in
disqualification - in other words, those who do not add up to 12 within 3 years -
will cease to count 3 years after the date of the offence. You can apply to the
DVLA (Swansea) for the removal of the points after 4 years from the date of the
offence.
The Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995 This Act will affect you if you pass
your first driving test on or after 1 June 1997. If you incur penalty points in the two-
year period immediately following your first successful driving test, and your
penalty points add up to 6 or more (including any that were incurred within 3 years
of the latest conviction) your licence will be revoked by DVLA. You will then have
to obtain a provisional licence, drive as a learner and pass the theory and
practical test again in order to regain your full driving licence. Passing the re-test
will not remove the penalty points from your licence, and if the total reaches 12,
you are liable to be disqualified by a court.

Speed limits

The speed limit on a Motorway / Dual Carriageway 70mph and that on other roads
60mph. Only roads subject to a lower limit have to be marked by signs. A general
speed limit of 30mph applies on roads having street lighting provided by means of
lamps placed 200 yards or less apart unless there are de-restriction signs. On
other roads where the speed limit is in excess of 30mph a motorist shall not be
convicted for exceeding the speed limit unless 'repeater' signs are erected.
I suggest if you have ant doubt the get a copy of the 'Highway Code'

Evidence in speeding cases

The opinion of two people (not necessarily police officers) is enough to secure a
conviction. Alternatively, the court will usually accept the evidence of one police
officer who followed the accused and was watching a speedometer, or who noted
the speed on equipment. If the limit was exceeded by only 5mph or less the
motorist will usually be given a caution.

Speeding is an absolute offence and it is no defence to argue that the speeding
did not cause any danger. If danger was caused then it is likely that the more
serious of charges of careless or dangerous driving may also be brought.
It is extremely difficult to defend a speeding charge successfully.

Usually it is alleged that the motorist was exceeding the limit by at least 10mph so
it is difficult to argue that this was a mistake or that the police officer's
speedometer was inaccurate. It is particularly difficult to defend a charge if the
motorist was caught in an electronic trap (e.g.. Radar, laser & Gatso), since all
such speed measuring devices are Home Office approved and few magistrates
are prepared to accept the argument of mistaken identity.

Penalty points system

Offences attracting penalty points, together with details of the points, which will be
imposed, are listed in the following chart. No disqualification may be ordered
unless there is an order for endorsement. Some offences carry a compulsory
order for disqualification and the court must impose this unless there are 'special
reasons' for not doing so.
Disqualification remains obligatory for certain offences (e.g. dangerous driving, or
drinking and driving as opposed to being drunk in charge), so, in general terms,
penalty points will only be endorsed in cases where the licence endorsement is
obligatory and disqualification is discretionary but not imposed. If a previous drink
driving offence took place during the 10 years preceding the current offence, the
court must disqualify for at least 3 years.

 

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Penalty Points

2
points Play Street offences
3
points
Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight.
Exceeding a speed limit (dealt with by a fixed penalty) i.e. £40.00 fine payable within 28 days.
Failure to obey sign exhibited by school crossing patrol.
Contravention of pedestrian crossing regulations.
Contravention of traffic regulations on special roads (e.g. motorways).
Contravention of certain construction and use regulations (e.g. dangerous condition, defective
breaks, steering or tyres).
Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position and stopping within the confines of a Pelican/Zebra
crossing.
Failure to give information.
3 - 6
points
Learner motorcyclist with a passenger.
Driving otherwise than in accordance with a Licence (e.g. under age, unsupervised in car, no 'L'
plates.
Exceeding a speed limit (Summons).
3 - 9
points Careless or inconsiderate driving.
3 - 11
points Dangerous driving (Disqualify for 12 months minimum, unless special reason and order extended re-test Custodial sentence may apply.
4
points Refusing roadside breath test.
5 - 10
points Failing to stop after an accident (Discretionary Disqualification). Failing to report an accident to the police (Discretionary Disqualification).
6
points Driving while disqualified by order of court (Discretionary Disqualification).
6 - 8
points Using, or causing of permitting use of, motor vehicle uninsured and unsecured against third party risks (Discretionary Disqualification).
10
points
Being in charge of a motor vehicle when unfit through drink or drugs (Discretionary
Disqualification. Custodial sentence may apply)
Being in charge of a motor vehicle with alcohol above the prescribed limit (Discretionary
Disqualification. Community penalty or Custodial sentence may apply).
Failing to provide specimen for analysis in 'in charge' cases (Discretionary Disqualification.
Custodial sentence may apply).

Number Plates and the Law
Display of Registration Marks for Motor Vehicles (Except Motorcycles)

VEHICLE REGISTRATION MARKS including marks offered for sale and
purchase through the DVLA's Sales Schemes must be displayed in
accordance with Regulations 17-22 inclusive and Schedule 2 of the Road
Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 1971 (as amended)
(Obtainable from HMSO)

The Regulations specify that marks must conform to either one of two groups of
provisions (provisions for embossed/pressed plates in section EMBOSSED
PLATES below)

Group 1 : Characters 89mm (3 1/2") high, Character width 64mm (2 1/2") (except
figure "1") stroke width 16mm (5/8")

Group 2 : Characters 79mm (3 1/8") high, Character width 57mm (2 1/4") (except
figure "1") stroke width 14mm (9/16")



NOTE:

It is an OFFENCE to alter, rearrange or misrepresent letters or number in order to
form names or word.

Characters must not be moved from one block to the other e.g. A242 ABC must
not be displayed as A242A BC

OFFENDERS are liable to a MAXIMUM FINE of up to £1000 and in some cases
the mark may be WITHDRAWN. Vehicles with illegally displayed number plates
may now FAIL the MoT test.
For vehicles first registered on or after 1.1.1973. The characters must be black;
the background must be reflex-reflecting material, white at the front and yellow at
the rear.

Each number plate shall be permanently and legibly marked in such a position as
to be clearly visible when the number plate is fitted to the vehicle, with the
following information:

1) The name, trademark or other means of identification of the maker
2) the number of the British Standard, i.e. BSAU 145a

Embossed or Pressed Number Plates

Where each letter or number is 79mm (3 1/8") high
For embossed or pressed the space between the group of letters and group of
figures 33mm (1 5/16") may be exceeded by not more than 21mm (27/32").

The space between the nearest parts of two adjoining figures '1' shall not be less
than 11mm (7/16") nor more than 54mm (2 1/8"), and the space between the
nearest part of figure '1' and the nearest part of any other figure shall not be less
than 11mm (7/16") and not more than 33mm (1 9/32").

Where each letter or number is 89mm (3 1/2") high
For embossed or pressed the space between the group of letters and group of
figures 38mm may be exceeded by not more than 24mm (15/16").

The space between the nearest parts of two adjoining figures '1' shall not be less
than 13mm (1/2") nor more than 60mm (2 3/8"), and the space between the
nearest part of figure '1' and the nearest part of any other figure shall not be less
than 13mm (1/2") and not more than 37mm (1 7/16").

Further Information: Extracts from form V796. Motor Cycles have separate
provisions and are contained within schedule 2 of the Road Vehicles (Registration
and Licensing) Regulations 1971 as amended, Via the HMSO or your local
Vehicle Licensing Office. Information correct as of January 1999

A New Format from September 2001

From 1 September 2001, number plates will take on a new format. The present
age identifier prefix letters run out next year. Vehicles registered, as new from 1
September 2001 will have number plates that include.

A two letter regional identifier - A two figure age identifier - Three random letters


The new format will make number plates easier to read and make them more
memorable.

A New Font Style
From 1 March 2001, a new number plate font style is to be introduced. This will
make it illegal for any vehicle being used on the public highway to have a number
plate which does not conform to the new style. Motorists whose vehicles bear
number plates, which have been customised by means of stylised letters and
figures such as italics or the placement of number plate fixing bolts, must replace
them or risk prosecution.

The new mandatory font style is based on the 'Charles Wright' font as
shown below:



The overall width of characters will be reduced from 57mm to 50mm.

GB Euro symbol

From 1 March 2001, motorists may if they wish, incorporate the GB Euro symbol
onto their number plates. The display of national emblems on number plates will
be prohibited. If desired they may be displayed, as now, on other parts of the
vehicle.

The DVLA plans to work with the Association of Chief Police Officers
(ACPO) to crackdown on drivers.

Many drivers alter the spacing and typefaces on number plates to spell names
and messages. But some plates can make registration numbers unreadable by
speed cameras. Drivers who tamper with car number plates are likely to face
prosecution in a new clampdown.

It is already an offence to make letters look like numbers and vice versa, but the
Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) in Swansea has said it intends to crack
down.
Thousands of personalised registration numbers are allowed - the DVLA sells
assignment rights to attractive numbers and many people are prepared to pay
high sums for novelty numbers.

But the problem is when people change the letter spacing and make the plate
hard to read. Cars with these plates fail MOT tests and there is a maximum
£1,000 fine.

 

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Police concerns

A simple change in letter spacing can make 13 look like B or 8. The letter O can
look like D, 12 can look like 15 and the letter S can get confused with the number
5.
Police are concerned that vehicles involved in hit and run accidents can be
difficult to trace.

The DVLA plans to work with the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to
crackdown on drivers.

From 1 March people without correctly displayed plates may have their
registration marks withdrawn permanently without compensation.

Speeding
The View of a Traffic Officer

The View of Speed Enforcement
by a serving
Traffic Patrol Officer
in the Thames Valley Police Force.

The following Comments are the views of one officer and do not represent the
views of any other officer or Police Force in the UK

Ask your self-a question, "How good a driver am I?"

What makes you so good? Well very often drivers have a perceived perception of
their skills based upon their own experiences and belief in their abilities.
If you are travelling 103 ft per second at what speed are you driving? Need to look
up the answer.

Do you know how to read the speed of a bend accurately?
Do you know how the police operate speed detection devices, or do you believe
that your alertness and observation will keep you one step ahead of the game?

Answer to consider. "Each and every time you decide to speed or break the rules
of the road you will need to be lucky............

The police only need to be lucky once...

Speeding is often seen as a part of every day motoring and enforcement as an
irritation to driving. Drivers do not regard speeding as unlawful if the limit is only
broken by an acceptable margin. That margin is very often set by the individual's
conscience rather than by any passed law or enforcement process.

"The vehicle is designed to travel safely at much higher speeds"

"I know what I am doing"

"It's the other road users that are the problem"

Sound familiar...

These same drivers often complain of the speed of vehicles in their own street but
are happy to do it in other streets It's all-right but not in my back yard.

Speed enforcement is often regarded as the enemy and something to be beaten.
If you cheat or defeat the system then all well and good, you are hailed a hero.
The accident is never going to happen to you and if it does then it will be the fault
of the other driver.... Won't it?

The fixed penalty system along with all of the speed enforcement devices now
used is now seen as revenue collectors for the Government of the day. It has
become a game of chance and risk and so often justified by the drivers who are
caught. The idea is to avoid being detected and if caught to avoid successful
prosecution by whatever means.

There are many devices now being employed to detect speeding motorists and
equally as many devices designed to confuse and make them obsolete. Defences
offered in court to undermine their credibility and of those administering them.
Publications have been produced that detail how to avoid detection and
prosecution.

Lets have a look at the most common devices and how they are operated:

VASCAR

The VASCAR device has been in use for many years in the UK and represents
the most lenient form of enforcement to the motorist. It records the average speed
of a vehicle and this will display a lower speed than the motorist was actually
travelling. The device measures time over distance and this produces an average speed.
The police are trained over a prolonged period in order to determine their margin
of error. The margin of error is in fact a variance of anticipation and not an error of
reaction. This is often where people assume that an officer can have an area of
weakness during its operation. It must be stressed that any error must be on the
anticipation of the operator and not on their reaction time.

Try it your self. Set a stopwatch running and see how close to five seconds you
can stop the timer running. After a few attempts you will find that you have
anticipated the stop point very accurately and this how it works. When a vehicle is
observed approaching the start of the check distance the operating officer can see
both the start of the check and the target vehicle and can easily anticipate when
the vehicle will strike the starting point. The same happens at the end of the
check. The margin of error is very very small and often less than .03 mph.

It is the same anticipation as a group of people clapping in time with one another
because they can anticipate when the next strike of the hands occurs. It is the
same as someone recording the lap time of an athlete crossing the start and finish
line: the timer anticipates the moment when the runner passes the start finish
point and can record a very accurate time.

The VASCAR is a very accurate means of determining the speed of a vehicle and
the motorist will have to prove that the operator did not operate it correctly, a very
difficult thing to do. It is very unlikely that you will have a defence if caught with
this device because you will have to show that the operator did not act in
accordance with the guidelines. Most VASCAR check sites have been approved
and are the only static sites used especially on Motorways where strict guidelines
as to use are in force.

The following check using VASCAR is even more difficult for the driver seeking to
avoid detection. The police drivers know exactly where to sit to be in a driver's
blind spot and so often they can be very close to the target vehicle without the
driver being aware. This also holds good for the following check using the
calibrated speedometer.

VASCAR units in police vehicles have to be calibrated on a regular basis and from
my experience they are, in fact most officers check the device at the start and end
of each working day and that is well above the recommendations. If a case is
contested the prosecution is often dropped if the device has not been calibrated
correctly and in fairness officers generally do not use the device if the calibration
has not been carried out.

 

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PRO-LASER and PRO-LASER 2

This has become the preferred means of enforcement for most police officers, it is
portable and very accurate and very easy to operate.

It projects a pencil thin beam of laser light onto the target vehicle in the area of the
front registration plate. Providing it makes a clean strike it will record the vehicle
speed. By the time the average motorists has seen the police vehicle the check has almost certainly been completed and very often the officers are moving away
before you pass them.

Speed detection devices in my experience do not work because by the time the
driver has reacted to the speed trap it is too late. And in the case of VASCAR it
does not work at all. If a driver travels many many miles on the Motorways of this
country he cannot sustain the level of concentration that enables him to react in
sufficient time. It is human nature. He must also trust his luck that any detection
device will actually work and that he will be able to react in time.

He will then, if caught, rely on something in the procedure being wrong to enable
him to get away with the offence. If this is considered then there are too many
odds stacked against the speeding motorist.

The bottom line is that if you decide to speed then the chances are that at some
point in time you will be caught. As a Motorway patrol officer I often sit in full view
of oncoming traffic and side on to the direction of travel. The average motorist still
travels past in excess of 100 mph claiming not to have seen you. It makes you
wonder how these people would see and react to a real emergency?

THE UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE

This is the tool in the police armoury that attracts most comment. "It's unfair, or
un-sporting of the police. It's sneaky or underhanded?"

The police use the unmarked vehicle as a pure enforcement vehicle, often armed
with all of the speed detection equipment and Auto vision as well. Its aim is to
detect the more serious breaches of Road traffic Law, the very high speeds or anti
social behaviour demonstrated by the minority of motorists. It removes the half-
mile safety bubble around the marked police vehicle. This is the area in view of
the police officers where everyone becomes the model driver. The officers
manning this vehicle see drivers in their true light and target the worst offenders.
To these officers who witness and deal with the aftermath of many fatal accidents,
the carnage and long lasting images it is not a game, but a deadly serious
business.

With every road death there is a grieving family and lost loved ones that leave a
legacy that lasts another lifetime.

In the late summer of 1998 I had stopped a driver of a Subaru Impreza for driving
very fast along a country road in Oxfordshire, a "decent chap" who suffered my
words of wisdom. I was aware however that he was not really listening to me. He
had a racing background and knew how to handle the car?

As I spoke to him two cars travelling in opposing directions had a head on
collision directly in front of where we were standing. A closing impact speed of
100-120 mph.
One of the drivers lost an arm and another his sight permanently. He technically
died three times on route to hospital and will carry the legacy of the high speed
with him for the rest of his life.

The driver of the Subaru? Well needless to say he opened his eyes and really
saw what happens when things go wrong. It is sad that the only way to reach
some people is for them to experience the reality of a high-speed impact? I do not
recommend it to anyone.

The next time you leave home to get into your car take a long look back at what
you have and how precious it is to you.

Speed, or the love that daughters smile carries?
Speed, or the love of a son so deeply cherished?

The Legacy

"I broke the silence with the faint opening of the ward door, the mother sat tearful
and empty at her daughters bedside. The broken shell of her daughter lay
distorted and twisted upon the covers. "She's only twenty three and so full of life",
but no longer.

Her companion for the evening took a bend too fast and lost control and struck a
tree. He died instantly. The girl survived... for what future. The police officers,
myself included, cried tears of hopelessness at having witnessed the aftermath of
yet another needless accident."

Drivers will speed past the accident scene within a few hours and perhaps they
might notice the wilting flowers lain so carefully. A few miles away the families of
those involved live their own nightmare... but who cares because it is never going
to happen to you.

Safe motoring to each and every one of you, but remember if you break the rules
you must accept the consequences of YOUR actions and the effects that it has
upon other people. If you do not heed the advice do not complain when the results
of another's actions affect you?

A Serving Traffic Patrol Officer

(Name and address supplied)
If you have any comments and would like them passed on please send them to
me, I will forward them to the officer

Question concerning speed from the same officer.

Two vehicles are travelling along the Motorway, one in lane two and one in lane
three.
The vehicle in lane two is travelling at 70 mph
The vehicle in lane three is travelling at 100mph
At a given point the vehicles are alongside one another.
At this point they both have stop because of an obstruction ahead.
The vehicle in lane 2 skids from 70mph to a stop. At what speed is the vehicle in
lane three still travelling when the vehicle in lane 2 is stationary?



The answer
The vehicle in lane three will still be travelling at 71mph???
100mph = 147ft per sec. On impact it all ends in less than half a second?
Will you have time to work it out?


Police Helicopters

This police helicopter is a Eurocopter BO 105 DBS Super 5. The helicopter has a
rotor diameter of 9.84m, a fuselage length of 8.81m giving a 'rotors running' length
of 11.86m. The power plant is two Allison 420 shaft horsepower 250-C20B turbo
shaft engines, giving a maximum take off weight of 2,600Kg. It will fly on one
engine, and this performance allows the CAA to give permission for it to fly lower
than other civil helicopters.

They often use the latest Agema thermal image camera and three chip broadcast
quality video camera are mounted in a fully stabilised pod to provide greatly
enhanced picture quality on the starboard (right!) side of the helicopter to detect
human body heat on the ground. Inside there are eight tactical radios, giving the
crew access to police UHF and VHF radio frequencies, the fire service,
ambulance service, coastguard and mountain/cave rescue channels.

Along with most of the equipment having the ability to be voice controlled, another
innovation is the provision of a "Microwave Downlink" to beam video and thermal
image pictures direct to incident commanders on the ground who can view them
on a portable screen contained in an easy- to-carry case. They have VASCAR
and Tracker systems fitted on board as well.

Air Units are also being equipped with digital photography, enabling high quality,
detailed photographs to be available to officers on the ground within 10 minutes of
the aircraft landing.

The helicopter will cruise at 120 mph and has a 'dash' speed of 140 mph and
usually carries a crew of three. Up to six people, including the crew can be
carried. A stretcher is part of the standard to remove seriously injured road
accident victims to hospital trauma units.

"It takes 450 officers to carry out a ground search of one square mile at a cost of
£9,000 while the three man helicopter crew takes just 12 minutes to conduct the
same search at a cost of just £160!"

Other UK Police Equipment
Special Police Cars
Ford Escort Cosworth

The Ford Escort RS Cosworth. was currently in use in Humberside, is a
development vehicle based upon the standard model available to the public.
Members of the Vehicle Crime Unit teamed up with Ford Motor Sport and Ford
Special Vehicle Engineering, to develop one of the most sophisticated Police cars

 

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THE END hope this helps you all

 

[Cricko2]

F**k my old boots...I will never drive again.:D

 

[Pubey]

if i remembered all that when i got pulled over i think the officer would let me off for being a genius!

 

[TrueBlue]

its an intresting read as it goes

 

[MrB]

Still shorter than an average MtS ramble.....

 

[TrueBlue]

Still shorter than an average MtS ramble.....

Yeah not a patch on Matt

 

[cockles is back]

I would rather get done and loooose my licence than read all that ****

 

[Ricey]

Started reading it then I got bored LOL! I am sure it is a good read?

 

[Mr. Benedict]

Some very useful information there, and an interesting read. A welcome distraction from work!

 

[Mad Cyril]

I'm amazed there are so many number plates with illegal fonts and letter spacings on the roads.

Surely this is the easiest pinch the police can make and if the number plate does not meet the legal requirements there is no defence.

Plus, they irritate me.

 

[Pubey]

I'm amazed there are so many number plates with illegal fonts and letter spacings on the roads.

Surely this is the easiest pinch the police can make and if the number plate does not meet the legal requirements there is no defence.

Plus, they irritate me.

agreed... although there seem to be less than there used to be IMO